User talk:Charles Matthews

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— Rlevse • Talk • 12:02, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

I am in the process of expanding {{1911}}. I think it is desirable to do the same to the {{DNB}} template. However it would make sense to expand them in a similar way. So perhaps you would like to take a look at Template talk:1911#Proposal to replace code with a wrapper around cite encyclopedia and comment as you see fit. -- PBS (talk) 04:54, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

I have an article brewing that would benefit to have your expertise directed at it briefly. Also talk page with to do list. I am looking for background detail on the protagonists; they seem to be in no special order:

• Reverend Sir Henry Dudley: the fighting vicar/bishop? Johnson (1893) p. 15 a prebendary well known as a companion of the Prince Regent and possibly sole resident magistrate though this may be Metcalfe (see Metcalfe below)

* Reverend John Vachell: Vicar of St James, Littleport until 22 May 1816 (day of riots) did not return after riots ✓ Done --Senra (Talk) 21:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC) * Reverend William Metcalfe: Which one? CCED has two. Johnson (1893) p. 15 says minor canon and precentor of the Cathedral, (possible sole resident magistrate (presumably Ely) but punctuation is such that sole resident magistrate may refer to Dudley

Metcalfe, William in Venn, J. & J. A., Alumni Cantabrigienses, Cambridge University Press, 10 vols, 1922–1958. Charles Matthews (talk) 21:20, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Based on Venn, I'm going with Metcalfe as sole resident magistrate for Ely

--Senra (Talk) 14:03, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

✓ Done --Senra (Talk) 21:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

• Henry Law: Involved somehow due this but not much written in reliable sources; Johnson (1893) rector of Downham (Downham Market or Little Downham?)
• Reverend Peploe Ward: Goulden (2008) p. 27 joined Metcalfe and Law to produce proclamation (see picture in article). I think this was a sham but only Goulden says this. It would be nice to corroborate this
• John Byng: thought to be officer in-charge of dragoons that helped to quell the riots
• Edward Christian: Lord Chief Justice of Isle of Ely but I think deposed for the Littleport riot trials by who? Special commission noted in Times but would like to read more on said commission: The Times, Thursday, Jun 20, 1816; pg. 3; Issue 9866; col D - Special Commission At Ely. Wednesday, June 19. Goulden (2008) implies he was a bumbling idiot (as a judge); Bell (1994) that he was a hanging judge

* Mr Justice Abbot: presiding judge appointed by special commission * Mr Justice Burrough: presiding judge appointed by special commission

I guess these are Charles Abbott and James Burrough; the latter is in the DNB. Charles Matthews (talk) 21:21, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I am not so sure about Charles Abbot, first Baron of Colchester (1757&ndash1829). His ODNB entry does not mention Littleport and he was speaker of the house of commons at the time of the riots --Senra (Talk) 15:04, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Just arrived at the same conclusion as I was constructing this query so I think it is Charles Abbott first Baron Tenterden (1762–1832) --Senra (Talk) 16:24, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

✓ Done --Senra (Talk) 21:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

• William Hobhouse: leader of Crown prosecution. Goulden (2008) p. 29–30 implies Hobhouse was sent by government to report on Christian
• Mr John Bacon: active constable from Bow Street
• Also, Johnson (1893) p. 22 footnote 1 says 69th Regiment was a regiment of Hanoverians; German mercenaries? I cannot find support for this

Hmmm - perhaps the above is a little too much to ask but then again, I am looking for someone to help produce this article

--Senra (Talk) 20:28, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I seem to have landed myself in trouble here. Charles Matthews (talk) 20:50, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

:Vachell stayed on as vicar in title until 1830; but he appointed a curate from 1817. See: Jermyn, George Bitton in Venn, J. & J. A., Alumni Cantabrigienses, Cambridge University Press, 10 vols, 1922–1958.; Vachell, John in Venn, J. & J. A., Alumni Cantabrigienses, Cambridge University Press, 10 vols, 1922–1958.. ✓ Done --Senra (Talk) 23:06, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

:Here's a further gem from the Venn database: Griffith, John in Venn, J. & J. A., Alumni Cantabrigienses, Cambridge University Press, 10 vols, 1922–1958.. Not that I approve, but that has DYK written all over it. Charles Matthews (talk) 21:03, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

✓ Done --Senra (Talk) 21:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

:This is from an 1816 account in the Annual Register, which has a great deal of other East Anglian context that I have seen so far. Charles Matthews (talk) 15:40, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Just checking it now but I think this is already in the bibliography as Burke (1817) pp. 71–72 --Senra (Talk) 16:33, 5 September 2010 (UTC)