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Talk:Muslim Girl Magazine

The official website has an outdated cover and points to parked domains. What can be done to this orphaned article? -- Marawe (talk) 08:32, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Ghost

1. Should this article should be categorized as a pseudo-science topic?
{{collapse top|original second question}}2. How much emphasis should be given to the spiritualist / skeptic debate as opposed to other aspects of the subject? <small>collapsed because mixing two questions in one RfC can confuse results, and there is no pollable answer to this second question. --Abd (talk) 03:23, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Grace (Christianity)

Grace (Christianity) → Divine grace — Lets move this back to Divine grace and get some consensus before moving. Greg Bard 22:59, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi

For weeks now, most of the articles involving Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi and Younus AlGohar have been the subject of a slow edit war with several editors spending most of their time undoing other editors' edits. This has also spread in a minor way to the general article on Sufism.
Articles involved include:
For details, see the articles' histories.
There is a dispute as to whether Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi actually died, disappeared, or went into "occultation". I haven't been able to find reliable sources about his death. Hence, edits have involved removing and adding details of death (with possible BLP implications).
There is a dispute over Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi's legitimacy and over the legitimacy of present organizations, and representatives or successors.
As many of his followers believe that he is/was the Mahdi or a messiah, there were attempts to change pages redirecting to Mahdi to redirects to Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi.
These disputes have also split over onto talk pages.
Your comments and proposals on how to resolve these thorny issues would be appreciated. Can the issues be solved informally, or does the matter need to go to some kind of formal dispute resolution process? Esowteric+Talk 11:47, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (clergy)

The current naming convention for Eastern Orthodox officials (Patriarchs, Metropolitans, Archbishops and Bishops) advocates the use of prefixes and titles as part of the article title. The direction regarding Western and Eastern religious officials is currently different, with no qualifiers used for Western officials but advocated for use for Eastern officials. I am seeking comment as to whether the us of religious titles is appropriate or contrary to the spirit of WP:NCP. I’ve brought it forward as a RfC and not strictly at the talk page because the level of participation on the talk page appears to be low and the number of articles affected by this issue is large.Labattblueboy (talk) 18:47, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:RAGS International

A dispute between editors (myself included) is over whether this page should be a disambiguation or a redirect page. Input from neutral editors would be greatly appreciated. This issue is very much related to the pages The Representative of Imam Mehdi, The Representative of Gohar Shahi, and pretty much all pages relating to Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi.
  • This page belongs to Gohar Shahi, who has an article on wikipedia, no need to make disamb.--Falconkhe (talk) 09:36, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:The Representative of Gohar Shahi

A dispute between editors (myself included) is over whether this page should be a disambiguation or a redirect page. Input from neutral editors would be greatly appreciated. Please also see "The Representative of Imam Mehdi", which deals with exactly the same issue. Omirocksthisworld(Drop a line) 09:16, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:The Representative of Imam Mehdi

A dispute between editors (myself included) is over whether this page should be a disambiguation or a redirect page. Input from neutral editors would be greatly appreciated. Omirocksthisworld(Drop a line) 08:38, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Triple Goddess (Neopaganism)

I think I fixed the problem where the {{rfctag|reli}} in <nowiki> tags was picked up by the bot.
Edits summary, at a glance…
=== Drawing down the Moon ===
"Drawing down the Moon", a Wiccan ritual, involves a high priestess either going into a reverie and speaking as the Goddess, or reciting dramatic prose (different branches of Wicca have different rationales and methodologies). Slightly different rituals are performed at the different phases of the moon. The priestess is assumedsaid to be functioning as a prophet of the Goddess or her corporeal form. Mel D. Faber explains this in psychological terms of attempting to re-unite with the protective-[[mother]] fantasy.<ref>Faber, Mel D. (1993) [http://books.google.com/books?id=Y1FZ2hMl56IC&lpg=PA96&pg=PA96#v=onepage&q=&f=false ''Modern Witchcraft and Psychoanalysis''.] Fairleigh Dickinson University Press. p.96. ISBN 0838634885, ISBN 9780838634882.</ref>
=== Fiction, film and literary criticism ===
…
Modern fantasy fiction plays a large part in the conceptual landscape of the neo-pagan world.<ref>{{cite book|last=Wood|first=Juliette|title=The Concept of the Goddess|editor=Sandra Billington, Miranda Green (eds.) (1999)|publisher=Routledge|date=1999|page=22|chapter=Chapter 1, The Concept of the Goddess|ISBN= 9780415197892|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=IoW9yhkrFJoC&lpg=PP22&pg=PA22#v=onepage&q=&f=false|accessdate=2009-10-08}}</ref> The three supernatural female figures called variously the Ladies, Mother of the Camenae, the Kindly Ones, and a number of other different names in ''The Sandman'' comic books by Neil Gaiman, merge the figures of the Fates and the Maiden-Mother-Crone goddess.<ref> Sanders, Joseph L., and Gaiman, Neil (2006). ''The Sandman Papers: An Exploration of the Sandman Mythology''. Fantagraphics. p.151. ISBN 1560977485, ISBN 9781560977483.</ref> In Alan Garner's ''The Owl Service'', based on the fourth branch of the ''Mabinogion'' and influenced by Robert Graves, clearly delineates the character of the Triple Goddess. Garner goes further, in his other novels making every female character intentionally represent an aspect of the Triple Goddess.<ref name="White">White, Donna R. (1998). ''A Century of Welsh Myth in Children's Literature''. Greenwood Publishing Group. p.75. ISBN 0313305706, ISBN 9780313305702.</ref> In George R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire series, the Maid, the Mother, and the Crone are three aspects of the septune deity in the Faith of the Seven.
Wood, Juliet. The Concept of the Goddess
The author's statement was taken out of context to serve as a transition from "violent and misandric imagery", "harrowing", and "feminist Shakespeare" selections to DC Comics.
And "melancholy"—I overlooked a selection from "Our ladies of darkness: feminine daemonology in male gothic fiction" regarding DeQuincey's nempholeptic vampire nightmares: Our Lady of Tears, Our Lady of Sighs and Our Lady of Darkness; the Holy/Unholy Trinity as dominatrix aka the Graces, Fates and Furies whom Andriano explains are all aspects of the same Triple Goddess of Robert Graves.
I think the following quote would better introduce the section and better reflect the sophistication of Wood's view. Maybe the final paragraph would work as a transition from feminist Shakespeare to comic books? (I shouldn't try to read constructive intentions into those choices).
“The Goddess-model operates on the level of symbolic discourse.[1] The periphery is metaphorical rather than historical. If we look at the Goddess-paradigm as an exercise in creative history, then we are looking at a view of the past which, however it may fail academic criteria, presents a powerful image of feminine cultural identity.”[2]
Faber, Mel D. Modern Witchcraft and Psychoanalysis
Upon further investigation, I've come to realize one of the references I deleted, Mel D. Faber, is profoundly biased against Wicca and spiritual practice in general. A review in the American Journal of Psychoanalysis of one of his more recent books acknowledges that he “apparently has an ax to grind.” Looking at the deleted citation's link to Google Reader, I found these quotes to be indicative of Faber's argument (taken from pages 94-97).
Page 94:
“[The] real danger here, I would submit, is the belief in one's omnipotence, the unwillingness to acknowledge one's limitations—in short, the refusal to grow up and join the human race. In this denial, in this infantile, narcissistic imperviousness to the facts of one's development, there resides a major threat to the welfare and advancement not only of the individual psyche but of the social realm as well: A good measure of the violence, havoc, and general suffering that people have had to endure in this world has stemmed from those grandiose characters who have regarded themselves precisely as our prophetess Simos (1979, 13) urges her follows…”
The author Miriam Simos, Starhawk, and her book The Spiral Dance are frequently addressed by Faber.
“The working of Wiccan spells ultimately calls to mind [a colleague's] observation that disturbed individuals struggle to mature and become fully human without relinquishing their infantile omnipotence.”
For the next one and half pages, Faber quotes Margot Adler's Drawing Down the Moon, (which canbe used to replace the deleted citation for the article).[3] Various descriptions of the ritual are then provided, followed by Faber's Psychoanalytic Notes and the "psychological explanation" I deleted.
Page 96:
“This metaphor reveals the underlying purpose of the Craft as a whole. The moon is, of course, a projective version of the maternal figure, and the fantasy embedded in the rite is to pull the mother back into the psychological orbit of the individual.”
“The mother moves away, into "outer space" as it were; she is no longer directly in the sphere of the child's will. Thus to "draw the moon down," to bring it back or near with one's willful effort,is to deny and to reverse the central, traumatic event of infancy and childhood. The rite expresses, on the one hand, the individual's belief in his own omnipotent capacity to undo the past, to get the mother back, and it expresses, on the other, the individual's wish and need to have the mother's power, that "stream of force" which "enters him" as he basks in the Moon-Goddess' light." This is, surely, the way the child feels as he participates in the mother's omnipotence, in her magical, immaterial energy…”
Page 97:
“Here is the full breast, the loving, nurturing object for which the practitioner yearns most deeply, and the aim of the rite, quite simply, is to draw this down to the mouth, to get the love and the power inside.”
“Just as the baby-sitter reassures the child who wakes up and finds the parent gone, so does the ritual reassure the Witch.”
“We also see echoed early efforts at specifically transitional phenomena—like the baby's blankie [sic], the Goddess "lies under all and covers all."”
“Taken as a whole, Drawing Down the Moon acts out obsessively several major conflicts of the mother-child relation.”
  1. ^ Tambiah, Stanley Jeyaraja (1990). Magic, Science, Religion and the Scope of Rationality. England: Cambridge University Press. p. 23. ISBN 0521376319. 
  2. ^ Wood, Juliette (1999). "Chapter 1, The Concept of the Goddess". in Sandra Billington, Miranda Green (eds.) (1999). The Concept of the Goddess. Routledge. p. 22. ISBN 9780415197892. http://books.google.com/books?id=IoW9yhkrFJoC&lpg=PP22&pg=PA22#v=onepage&q=&f=false. Retrieved 2009-10-08. 
  3. ^ Adler, Margot (2006). Drawing Down the Moon: Witches, Druids, Goddess-Worshippers, and other pagans in America (revised, illustrated). Penguin Books. p. 18. ISBN 0143038192. 
05:15, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Anti-clericalism

Much of this article appears to be written from one specific religious viewpoint and provides virtually no explanation of the philosophical and political origins and historical development of Anti-clericalism. --Tediouspedant (talk) 00:49, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Most Holy Family Monastery

Should the article include a section detailing the monastery's position on various issues as found online at the following Most Holy Family Monastery web pages?
The question is being raised because the source of the information is self-reported by MHFM, but the assorted beliefs have not been commented upon by outside observers, bringing notability into question. Binksternet (talk) 19:14, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Neopaganism

There is a question about article following Neutral point of view and Verifiability. Please see Wicca is not Pagan?. 151.201.146.123 (talk) 13:13, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Prevenient grace

Talk:Irresistible grace

Talk:Actual grace

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