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Talk:Triple Goddess (Neopaganism)

</nowiki> tag to this page but I don't know if that's a good thing or if maybe there's a better way to proceed.—Machine Elf 1735 (talk) 17:37, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi

For weeks now, most of the articles involving Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi and Younus AlGohar have been the subject of a slow edit war with several editors spending most of their time undoing other editors' edits. This has also spread in a minor way to the general article on Sufism.

Articles involved include:

• Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi
• Messiah Foundation International
• Younus AlGohar
• RAGS International
• The Representative of Gohar Shahi
• The Representative of Imam Mehdi
• Sufism

For details, see the articles' histories.

There is a dispute as to whether Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi actually died, disappeared, or went into "occultation". I haven't been able to find reliable sources about his death. Hence, edits have involved removing and adding details of death (with possible BLP implications).

There is a dispute over Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi's legitimacy and over the legitimacy of present organizations, and representatives or successors.

As many of his followers believe that he is/was the Mahdi or a messiah, there were attempts to change pages redirecting to Mahdi to redirects to Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi.

These disputes have also split over onto talk pages.

Your comments and proposals on how to resolve these thorny issues would be appreciated. Can the issues be solved informally, or does the matter need to go to some kind of formal dispute resolution process? Esowteric+Talk 11:47, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (clergy)

The current naming convention for Eastern Orthodox officials (Patriarchs, Metropolitans, Archbishops and Bishops) advocates the use of prefixes and titles as part of the article title. The direction regarding Western and Eastern religious officials is currently different, with no qualifiers used for Western officials but advocated for use for Eastern officials. I am seeking comment as to whether the us of religious titles is appropriate or contrary to the spirit of WP:NCP. I’ve brought it forward as a RfC and not strictly at the talk page because the level of participation on the talk page appears to be low and the number of articles affected by this issue is large.Labattblueboy (talk) 18:47, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:RAGS International

A dispute between editors (myself included) is over whether this page should be a disambiguation or a redirect page. Input from neutral editors would be greatly appreciated. This issue is very much related to the pages The Representative of Imam Mehdi, The Representative of Gohar Shahi, and pretty much all pages relating to Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi.

• This page belongs to Gohar Shahi, who has an article on wikipedia, no need to make disamb.--Falconkhe (talk) 09:36, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:The Representative of Gohar Shahi

A dispute between editors (myself included) is over whether this page should be a disambiguation or a redirect page. Input from neutral editors would be greatly appreciated. Please also see "The Representative of Imam Mehdi", which deals with exactly the same issue. Omirocksthisworld(Drop a line) 09:16, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:The Representative of Imam Mehdi

A dispute between editors (myself included) is over whether this page should be a disambiguation or a redirect page. Input from neutral editors would be greatly appreciated. Omirocksthisworld(Drop a line) 08:38, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Anti-clericalism

Much of this article appears to be written from one specific religious viewpoint and provides virtually no explanation of the philosophical and political origins and historical development of Anti-clericalism. --Tediouspedant (talk) 00:49, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Most Holy Family Monastery

Should the article include a section detailing the monastery's position on various issues as found online at the following Most Holy Family Monastery web pages?

• http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/E-Exchanges.html Email exchanges about:
  • 2009 flu pandemic is a hoax
  • Habitual smoking is a sin
• http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/the_catholic_church_salvation_faith_and_baptism.php Only the Catholic Church offers salvation
• http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/defending_devotion_to_Our_Lady.html The Virgin Mary does not offer redemption
• http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/42_NFP.pdf Natural family planning is sinful
• http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/does_God_create_homosexuals.php Homosexuals are demonically possessed
• http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/watch_our_videos_3.php Watch our videos (actually, other people's videos) about:
  • Moon landing hoax
  • John Paul II is the antichrist
  • 9/11 conspiracy
  • Presidential election not determined by votes
  • Federal Reserve scam
  • Rock music is devil-inspired
• http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/Where_to_Mass.html A Byzantine priest should give the sacraments
• http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/7_enemyinfiltration.pdf Communists and Freemasons infiltrated the Catholic Church
• http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/siri_election.html Election of Cardinal Siri
• http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/44_wobab.pdf The Vatican II Pope is the Whore of Babylon
• http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/#sedevacantism The Vatican II Popes are anti-popes
• http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/old.html Consecration and conversion of Russia
• http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/the_holocaust.php The Jewish Holocaust is fake
• http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1864811590273484430&ei=AXY9S96hCZzcqgKpzNnxBA&q=#38m08s Abortion, Rock Music, and Freemasonry Exposed by Michael Dimond
• http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/mp3/JM_G.mp3 The monastery keeps two cats as pets.

The question is being raised because the source of the information is self-reported by MHFM, but the assorted beliefs have not been commented upon by outside observers, bringing notability into question. Binksternet (talk) 19:14, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Neopaganism

There is a question about article following Neutral point of view and Verifiability. Please see Wicca is not Pagan?. 151.201.146.123 (talk) 13:13, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Mar Thoma Church

There is currently a dispute on the total population of the Mar Thoma Church worldwide with an editor insisting that the figure indicated by the Indian Government census be used as the definitive source while other editors arguing that the census isn't a reliable indicator of the number of adherents worldwide. —Bobk (via posting script) 21:53, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Archaeology and the Book of Mormon

The third paragraph of the lead section contains the following sentence: "Mormon archaeologists and researchers, and non-Mormon scholar Cyrus Gordon (who, speaking outside of his field of study, admitted he was not qualified to speak on the book)^[1] claim there have been archaeological findings such as place names, and ruins of the Inca, Maya, Olmec and other ancient American and Old World civilizations that give credence to the Book of Mormon record." A question has arisen as to whether or not the parenthetical qualifying phrase about speaking outside of his field of study meets NPOV policy, particularly about insinuation. Additional input from editors is desired to form a consensus. Thanks, Alanraywiki (talk) 18:22, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Alfred Seiwert-Fleige

Please have a look at this article about a catholic bishop Alfred_Seiwert-Fleige users deleted sources and tried to force their anti-catholic POV on it. They banned many people that tried to add sources. They didnt block me or Eastmain, but they deleted our sources we gave too. It appears that they don't like this catholic bishop.

Best version until now with 13 sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alfred_Seiwert-Fleige&diff=343039227&oldid=343037941

And after deleting the sources: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alfred_Seiwert-Fleige&action=historysubmit&diff=343481960&oldid=343039227

(At first they had planned on deleting the whole article but it didnt work)

Check out at the information on these other wikipedia articles about Seiwert Fleige and compare them to the info that is on there now. You will notice that its quite the oposite:

Pierre_Martin_Ngô_Đình_Thục

Palmarian_Catholic_Church

Sedevacantism

Clemente_Domínguez_y_Gómez-- Michelle cannon (talk) 22:53, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk:The True Furqan

Which is the best version of the article? The original version of the article, mostly the work of User:Frank777w; or the newer version, which is predominantly my attempt to significantly prune the original version? Can we reach a consensus on the best version of the article to use, and hopefully reach a community agreement to cease any attempts to revert to the other version? (That is not to say that the chosen version cannot be improved incrementally...) --SJK (talk) 08:59, 11 February 2010 (UTC)